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	<title>Comments on: Op-Ed: Kevin Powell on The Sean Bell Tragedy</title>
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		<title>By: GDAWG</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clarification:
1. Should have read...... &quot;.... experience any repercussions.&quot;
2. Should have read..... &quot;It&#039;s cowardly and against nature to do otherwise.&quot;
3. Should have read.......&quot;... there will be no buckdancing!&quot;
Finally, there have been many court decision that rendered the humanity of Black americans as less than human. Dred Scott decision, Plessy v. Ferguson, Berea v. Kentucky, to name a few. So this judge&#039;s decision in the Sean Bell case should not be interpreted as final and moral.
And why is that Black men have to walk on egg-shells, rather than the earth, to be mere men?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarification:<br />
1. Should have read&#8230;&#8230; &#8220;&#8230;. experience any repercussions.&#8221;<br />
2. Should have read&#8230;.. &#8220;It&#8217;s cowardly and against nature to do otherwise.&#8221;<br />
3. Should have read&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;&#8230; there will be no buckdancing!&#8221;<br />
Finally, there have been many court decision that rendered the humanity of Black americans as less than human. Dred Scott decision, Plessy v. Ferguson, Berea v. Kentucky, to name a few. So this judge&#8217;s decision in the Sean Bell case should not be interpreted as final and moral.<br />
And why is that Black men have to walk on egg-shells, rather than the earth, to be mere men?</p>
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		<title>By: GDAWG</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In closing: Sean Bell, et al were the victims here in this matter regardless of the court decision. To argue otherwise is akin to blame a women for being rape because they were wearing a &quot;provocative&quot; skirt. It&#039;s outrageous!!!!! 
   The rest, involved in this matter, IMHO, are, basically, scum-bags. I mean all of em. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no rational justification for the shoot down of folks, out side of active warfare, particularly, if the folks in this instance thought they were being car-jacked!!!! Get the phuckoutta here! Their character  is irrelevant as defined by the American system.  I&#039;ll say it again. Is there a place or time when or where white men in America have been, or, been so tormented or afflicted by governmental agencies, be they city, state, or federal to the extent that Black men have that defines, particularly, genocide??????? We, as Black men, do have to show more personal responsibility in the decisions we make in our socialization and all. No argument here. But at some point we have to be responsible men when people think they just phuck over us and not experience any repressions. It&#039;s cowardly against nature to do otherwise.
Simply blaming the victim, in this instance, again, is NOT the answer.
 Oh yes. Yawl can OB, HRC, and JM.
Until the material conditions of our community changes with regards to the social indicators of humane existence, that are determine by others mostly not of our community, ether directly or indirectly are made more humane for us in all aspects of human endeavors. NO BUCK-DANCING! To put it mildly.
I just could not let this shit close like this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In closing: Sean Bell, et al were the victims here in this matter regardless of the court decision. To argue otherwise is akin to blame a women for being rape because they were wearing a &#8220;provocative&#8221; skirt. It&#8217;s outrageous!!!!!<br />
   The rest, involved in this matter, IMHO, are, basically, scum-bags. I mean all of em. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no rational justification for the shoot down of folks, out side of active warfare, particularly, if the folks in this instance thought they were being car-jacked!!!! Get the phuckoutta here! Their character  is irrelevant as defined by the American system.  I&#8217;ll say it again. Is there a place or time when or where white men in America have been, or, been so tormented or afflicted by governmental agencies, be they city, state, or federal to the extent that Black men have that defines, particularly, genocide??????? We, as Black men, do have to show more personal responsibility in the decisions we make in our socialization and all. No argument here. But at some point we have to be responsible men when people think they just phuck over us and not experience any repressions. It&#8217;s cowardly against nature to do otherwise.<br />
Simply blaming the victim, in this instance, again, is NOT the answer.<br />
 Oh yes. Yawl can OB, HRC, and JM.<br />
Until the material conditions of our community changes with regards to the social indicators of humane existence, that are determine by others mostly not of our community, ether directly or indirectly are made more humane for us in all aspects of human endeavors. NO BUCK-DANCING! To put it mildly.<br />
I just could not let this shit close like this.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CNorrison,

Clearly stated

Now why can&#039;t the black leaders convey this message of personal resposibility, they may get less yawns and more credibility]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNorrison,</p>
<p>Clearly stated</p>
<p>Now why can&#8217;t the black leaders convey this message of personal resposibility, they may get less yawns and more credibility</p>
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		<title>By: GDAWG</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CNorrrison as I pointed out in my earlier post, I felt powell was exercising mental masturbation and not worth the read. But he, Powell, is considering to run for Ed Towns&#039; congressional seat/office in Brooklyn. Speaking of worthless leadership. 
But I do know, as elloquently stated by you and Charles, that both of  you guys are onto something more tangible. The worthless ranting of the writer of the piece and placing ourselves, Black men, in high risk situations. 
Because we are Black men, we truly have to consciously not put ourselves into high risk positions/situations that could jeopardized our lives or limbs, outside of active warfare. As such, this whole notion is absurd, and, blatantly, a violation of one&#039;s human rights. And because its done to a &#039;specific group,&#039; in this instance, black men, among other matters, validates the latter claim. But that is story for another day.
 However, when thinking this thing through, one cannot complain or remedy the situation if you are dead as a result of placing yourself in a high risk situation. I can not think of any scenario where white men are so tormented / afflicted by various government agencies, be they state, city or federal, which makes the situation for us so perverse and tragic.  
We have to practice a &#039;self policing&#039; for our survival.  I think we should become models of &#039;Darwinian Ideas&#039; for survival. Survival of the fittest. (So that we are clear, I&#039;m not speaking of Eugenics.) That is, if you are not fit in mind, body, and spirit, you are at an extreme disadvantage for not &quot;making it&quot; or being sucessful in life in general, to the extent possible. That is, you place yourself, needlessly, in high risk situations and, as such, becomes fodder for, in this instance, these dangerous cowboys  Too bad they can&#039;t use or send these tough guys to Irag or Afghanistan. They could use them.
 Finally, I hardly feel 98% of our folks are not interested in this tragic decision. Something is working I just can&#039;t figure it out yet. I was out of state recently and listening to Satellite radio and folks all over the US is talking about the decision and is pretty disgusted by it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNorrrison as I pointed out in my earlier post, I felt powell was exercising mental masturbation and not worth the read. But he, Powell, is considering to run for Ed Towns&#8217; congressional seat/office in Brooklyn. Speaking of worthless leadership.<br />
But I do know, as elloquently stated by you and Charles, that both of  you guys are onto something more tangible. The worthless ranting of the writer of the piece and placing ourselves, Black men, in high risk situations.<br />
Because we are Black men, we truly have to consciously not put ourselves into high risk positions/situations that could jeopardized our lives or limbs, outside of active warfare. As such, this whole notion is absurd, and, blatantly, a violation of one&#8217;s human rights. And because its done to a &#8216;specific group,&#8217; in this instance, black men, among other matters, validates the latter claim. But that is story for another day.<br />
 However, when thinking this thing through, one cannot complain or remedy the situation if you are dead as a result of placing yourself in a high risk situation. I can not think of any scenario where white men are so tormented / afflicted by various government agencies, be they state, city or federal, which makes the situation for us so perverse and tragic.<br />
We have to practice a &#8216;self policing&#8217; for our survival.  I think we should become models of &#8216;Darwinian Ideas&#8217; for survival. Survival of the fittest. (So that we are clear, I&#8217;m not speaking of Eugenics.) That is, if you are not fit in mind, body, and spirit, you are at an extreme disadvantage for not &#8220;making it&#8221; or being sucessful in life in general, to the extent possible. That is, you place yourself, needlessly, in high risk situations and, as such, becomes fodder for, in this instance, these dangerous cowboys  Too bad they can&#8217;t use or send these tough guys to Irag or Afghanistan. They could use them.<br />
 Finally, I hardly feel 98% of our folks are not interested in this tragic decision. Something is working I just can&#8217;t figure it out yet. I was out of state recently and listening to Satellite radio and folks all over the US is talking about the decision and is pretty disgusted by it.</p>
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		<title>By: CNorrison</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Powell&#039;s a self promoting hack (real world, politics, etc.) who fails to even say a single word of the foolishness of this matter (cops with guns as a matter of policy drinking alcohol while working).   4 hours in a strip club?  I&#039;m guessing they had 4 - 5 drinks each bare minimum. 

Powell just wants something to say and like most he&#039;s take the low hanging fruit, the easy and obvious to take aim at.  Unimpressive.

As a commenting person has said, the people involved can pursue this through the process at this juncture. The real topic meriting discussion and editorial comment is the lack of interest and involvement in any protest of this decision.  If you&#039;re going to explore anything about this matter, that&#039;s really what&#039;s note worthy.

This judgment is not a big issue in the Black community other than with a very tiny small handful of Sharpton&#039;s circle.  There&#039;s no collective uproar, there&#039;s no collective feeling of outrage, I don&#039;t know a single person who&#039;s pissed.

Why and how that is, is indeed worth exploring and writing about.  It&#039;s  fair ground statement to say &quot;people don&#039;t care too much about this&quot;.   Face it, that&#039;s very much the case.

I am a 34 year old Black Man, but I AM NOT SEAN BELL.  I make different choices and decisions than Sean Bell.   I am Diallo though, a man that walks out of front doors of Aparment Buildings.  

They&#039;re not the same and melding them together is not valid.  Sure, you have the right to go to a strip club in sketchy parts of Brooklyn and drink and leave at 3 or 4 in the morning or whatever it was.....and not be killed.     Yes, you have that right.

However you are a F&#039;*cking fool if you think you can go drinking as a strip club till 2 or 3 am, then get in a car and drive and not have a good chance of being pulled over by the police.  

I think the statistics are that 1 out of every 4 drivers after 2am is legally drunk.  Yes, I am serious, the cops know this and actively pull over cars, especially nearly nightclubs and strip clubs and sportsbars.  Why?  A high [percentage of the drivers are drunk and hazards.

I drink alcohol.  However I don&#039;t drink when I know I am going to be driving on the roads after midnight.  Why?  2 drinks in 1 hour = failing the sobriety test and a DUI/DWI cost about $2K minimum to handle, often as much as $5K (legal and processing fees).

I caution my company too, if they are driving of the inherent high probability of being pulled over in certain areas after certain hours.

Can we be honest?  There are sections of Brooklyn where you don&#039;t want to be Black after sundown.    As Black people we know this.   It&#039;s not right, it&#039;s not fair.  Yes, you can scream and holler all night that you have the right to be Black and walk the streets of Bensonhurst or wherever at midnight or 2am.  

Sure, you have that right.   But in the real world, all we&#039;re saying is you have the right to be a fool and exercise poor judgment, that&#039;s all.    Yes, you have the right to stack the odds in favor of positioning yourself in a high risk environment.  

No, I am not Sean Bell and of course he did not deserve to be shot, killed, etc.  You know Pro Athletes have programs within their leagues warning them about placing themselves in high risk environments.  This might be a newsflash but a lot of Sh*t goes down at the strip clubs, especially after certain hours.

When you&#039;re a Black man, you should not have to have a  multi million dollar contract to have to practice prudence and awareness of where you are placing yourself.  Life is not fair.  Is that news?  You cannot give the cops or society and invalid unfair reason to kill or beat you.  You don&#039;t walk down the streets of Bensonhurst at 2am, you don&#039;t make quick movements that cause a dumb white cop fear if you are pulled over.

Let&#039;s face it, there are high risk activities when you are Black.    and if you are not cognizant of that, you better recognize.   This whole, &quot;I am Sean Bell&quot; markething angle/theme is absurd and perhaps the reason no one cares and this judgment has resulted with a collective yawn by 98% of the Blacks in NYC is because unlike Diallo, not a lot of people can relate to drinking at a strip club at that hour of the morning.     No excuse to be murdered by the Cops, but also no surprise to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Powell&#8217;s a self promoting hack (real world, politics, etc.) who fails to even say a single word of the foolishness of this matter (cops with guns as a matter of policy drinking alcohol while working).   4 hours in a strip club?  I&#8217;m guessing they had 4 &#8211; 5 drinks each bare minimum. </p>
<p>Powell just wants something to say and like most he&#8217;s take the low hanging fruit, the easy and obvious to take aim at.  Unimpressive.</p>
<p>As a commenting person has said, the people involved can pursue this through the process at this juncture. The real topic meriting discussion and editorial comment is the lack of interest and involvement in any protest of this decision.  If you&#8217;re going to explore anything about this matter, that&#8217;s really what&#8217;s note worthy.</p>
<p>This judgment is not a big issue in the Black community other than with a very tiny small handful of Sharpton&#8217;s circle.  There&#8217;s no collective uproar, there&#8217;s no collective feeling of outrage, I don&#8217;t know a single person who&#8217;s pissed.</p>
<p>Why and how that is, is indeed worth exploring and writing about.  It&#8217;s  fair ground statement to say &#8220;people don&#8217;t care too much about this&#8221;.   Face it, that&#8217;s very much the case.</p>
<p>I am a 34 year old Black Man, but I AM NOT SEAN BELL.  I make different choices and decisions than Sean Bell.   I am Diallo though, a man that walks out of front doors of Aparment Buildings.  </p>
<p>They&#8217;re not the same and melding them together is not valid.  Sure, you have the right to go to a strip club in sketchy parts of Brooklyn and drink and leave at 3 or 4 in the morning or whatever it was&#8230;..and not be killed.     Yes, you have that right.</p>
<p>However you are a F&#8217;*cking fool if you think you can go drinking as a strip club till 2 or 3 am, then get in a car and drive and not have a good chance of being pulled over by the police.  </p>
<p>I think the statistics are that 1 out of every 4 drivers after 2am is legally drunk.  Yes, I am serious, the cops know this and actively pull over cars, especially nearly nightclubs and strip clubs and sportsbars.  Why?  A high [percentage of the drivers are drunk and hazards.</p>
<p>I drink alcohol.  However I don&#8217;t drink when I know I am going to be driving on the roads after midnight.  Why?  2 drinks in 1 hour = failing the sobriety test and a DUI/DWI cost about $2K minimum to handle, often as much as $5K (legal and processing fees).</p>
<p>I caution my company too, if they are driving of the inherent high probability of being pulled over in certain areas after certain hours.</p>
<p>Can we be honest?  There are sections of Brooklyn where you don&#8217;t want to be Black after sundown.    As Black people we know this.   It&#8217;s not right, it&#8217;s not fair.  Yes, you can scream and holler all night that you have the right to be Black and walk the streets of Bensonhurst or wherever at midnight or 2am.  </p>
<p>Sure, you have that right.   But in the real world, all we&#8217;re saying is you have the right to be a fool and exercise poor judgment, that&#8217;s all.    Yes, you have the right to stack the odds in favor of positioning yourself in a high risk environment.  </p>
<p>No, I am not Sean Bell and of course he did not deserve to be shot, killed, etc.  You know Pro Athletes have programs within their leagues warning them about placing themselves in high risk environments.  This might be a newsflash but a lot of Sh*t goes down at the strip clubs, especially after certain hours.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;re a Black man, you should not have to have a  multi million dollar contract to have to practice prudence and awareness of where you are placing yourself.  Life is not fair.  Is that news?  You cannot give the cops or society and invalid unfair reason to kill or beat you.  You don&#8217;t walk down the streets of Bensonhurst at 2am, you don&#8217;t make quick movements that cause a dumb white cop fear if you are pulled over.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, there are high risk activities when you are Black.    and if you are not cognizant of that, you better recognize.   This whole, &#8220;I am Sean Bell&#8221; markething angle/theme is absurd and perhaps the reason no one cares and this judgment has resulted with a collective yawn by 98% of the Blacks in NYC is because unlike Diallo, not a lot of people can relate to drinking at a strip club at that hour of the morning.     No excuse to be murdered by the Cops, but also no surprise to me.</p>
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		<title>By: GDAWG</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charles, I wholeheartedly agree with you!]]></description>
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		<title>By: Charles N. Jamison Jr</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Powell writes passionately about the recent verdict. He has much to share and his voice will should be welcomed into and affirmed by our political process. Well done.

I have only one thought to add. 

He quotes a friend who said “Black male lives are meaningless in America.” I would like to pose to those members of our community who believe that &quot;no snitching&quot; is an affirmative response to a tragedy like Israel Ramirez and too many others, that they need to recuse themselves on the sideines of this tragedy until they correct themselves. Once they confront their hypocrisy and take responsibility for respecting the meaningfullness of all black lives no matter who the shooters are, only then can they join with the rest of us when we criticize the system for not doing the same. In my eyes those who have information that should be made public about killers of innocents, and do not, are little different than a judge who can not see the guilt in his boys-in-blue&#039;s execution of Sean Bell and who sets them free. 

All of the killers of innocents on our streets need to be removed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Powell writes passionately about the recent verdict. He has much to share and his voice will should be welcomed into and affirmed by our political process. Well done.</p>
<p>I have only one thought to add. </p>
<p>He quotes a friend who said “Black male lives are meaningless in America.” I would like to pose to those members of our community who believe that &#8220;no snitching&#8221; is an affirmative response to a tragedy like Israel Ramirez and too many others, that they need to recuse themselves on the sideines of this tragedy until they correct themselves. Once they confront their hypocrisy and take responsibility for respecting the meaningfullness of all black lives no matter who the shooters are, only then can they join with the rest of us when we criticize the system for not doing the same. In my eyes those who have information that should be made public about killers of innocents, and do not, are little different than a judge who can not see the guilt in his boys-in-blue&#8217;s execution of Sean Bell and who sets them free. </p>
<p>All of the killers of innocents on our streets need to be removed.</p>
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		<title>By: GDAWG</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mental masturbation? I ain&#039;t down with it.!]]></description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i was really upset at the amount of people showed up saturday for the march in harlem we marched from 145 st and lennox to 125 st across 125 st to 8th ave back across 125 st to 7 ave up 7 ave to 135 st to the precint then up 8th ave  back to 145 st &amp; lennox i was upset at all of the brothers and sisters standing on the side instead of joining in supporting this struggle one young lady in front of me kept shouting saying to the young people on the side join in we are doing this for you all but they did not budge i was really dissapointed because no matter what race it is latino ,black it affects all of us i am 37 i was holding number 43 along with another brother with a blue baseball cap we all had double numbers what i am trying to say is black brother and sisters should learn how to stand together or we are always going to be doomed i am very upset about all of the rap artist to they should of supported this struggle also we support their pockets with all of their finances it really is ashame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was really upset at the amount of people showed up saturday for the march in harlem we marched from 145 st and lennox to 125 st across 125 st to 8th ave back across 125 st to 7 ave up 7 ave to 135 st to the precint then up 8th ave  back to 145 st &amp; lennox i was upset at all of the brothers and sisters standing on the side instead of joining in supporting this struggle one young lady in front of me kept shouting saying to the young people on the side join in we are doing this for you all but they did not budge i was really dissapointed because no matter what race it is latino ,black it affects all of us i am 37 i was holding number 43 along with another brother with a blue baseball cap we all had double numbers what i am trying to say is black brother and sisters should learn how to stand together or we are always going to be doomed i am very upset about all of the rap artist to they should of supported this struggle also we support their pockets with all of their finances it really is ashame.</p>
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